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A Look at Funding Rates of PhDs at Different Institution Types

A few blogs ago, I provided information about investigators and different institution types. Let’s cut the data a couple additional ways. We’ve seen that investigators with a PhD tend to do slightly less well when competing for NIH funding. When you break out investigators by degree and the type of institution they work at, there isn’t really a big difference that pops out between those with an MD, PhD, or MD/PhD.

What if we compare the funding rate of investigators with a PhD from different institution types to each other? What you see is that investigators with a PhD at medical schools and research institutes fare better (by several percentage points) when compared to investigators with a PhD at institutions of higher education (not including medical schools).

NIH RPG Funding Rates by Type of Organization for Principal Investigators with PhD Degree, 1998-2011

If we look at funding rates broken out by type of organization, all investigators combined, we see a similar pattern. Overall, institutions of higher education (not including medical schools) have a lower funding rate when compared to independent hospitals, medical schools, and research institutes.

NIH RPG Funding Rates by Type of Organization, Fiscal Years 1998-2011 (ARRA excluded)

In the two graphs, there are differences in funding rates by institution, with higher education institutions having a lower funding rate, and there are differences by degree, with PhDs at a lower rate. Two weeks ago when we looked at rates by degree and institution type, we saw that, in general, PIs had the same funding rates regardless of degree type within each institution type. Medical schools had nearly identical rates for each degree type. So why do PhDs appear to have lower funding rates than other degree types? It is because they are most heavily concentrated in the institution type that fares least well—institutions of higher education (not including medical schools), see table 1 below. Remember, PhDs at medical schools do as well as MDs or MD/PhDs.

While these data are interesting, we have not tried to explain the cause of the differences as many institutional and situational factors contribute to PI funding rates. More food for thought.

Fiscal Year Organization MD MD/PhD PhD Total
Applicants(%) Applicants(%) Applicants(%) Applicants(%)
2011 Higher Education excluding Medical Schools 8.6% 14.9% 46.3% 37.2%
2011 Independent Hospitals 13.9% 12.0% 5.0% 7.1%
2011 Medical Schools 69.5% 65.5% 41.1% 48.0%
2011 Research Institutes 8.1% 7.7% 7.6% 7.7%
2011 Total 100.0% 100.0% 100.0% 100.0%

Table 1. Percentage Distribution of NIH Research Project Applicants by Organization within a Degree Type

Notes:  Research Project Grants in FY 2011 include activity codes: ‘R00′, ‘R01′, ‘R03′, ‘R15′, ‘R21′, ‘R22′, ‘R23′, ‘R29′, ‘R33′, ‘R34′, ‘R35′, ‘R36′, ‘R37′, ‘R55′, ‘R56′, ‘RC1′, ‘RC2′, ‘RC3′, ‘RC4′, ‘RL1′, ‘RL2′, ‘RL5′, ‘RL9′, ‘P01′, ‘P42′, ‘PN1′, ‘UA5′,’UC1′, ‘UC2′, ‘UC3′, ‘UC4′,’UH2′, ‘UH3′, ‘UH5′, ‘UM1′,’UC7′, ‘U01′, ‘U19′, ‘U34′, ‘DP1′, ‘DP2′, ‘DP3′, ‘DP4′, ‘DP5′
Excludes ARRA, Superfund, reimbursables
Applications from other types of organization such as, Other Domestic Non-Profit, Domestic for Profit, and Foreign, that represent only 5 % of the total, are not shown

7 thoughts on “A Look at Funding Rates of PhDs at Different Institution Types

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  2. I have a PhD, I am faculty at a Medical School, and therefore I contributed to the 2011 dip in that green line shown in the top graph. Ultimately however what matters to me is MY funding rate, not the average rate of some fanciful group I purportedly belong to. If the green-line were a team and I a member, thats different. Each line, whatever group they represent, contains a few winners and a lot more losers.

    I’d write more but I have grants to write.

  3. Why is everyone ignoring the elephant in the room. Funding rates for PhDs have dropped by 40% over the past decade regardless of the type of institution that they are in. I am PI of a NIH grant that received a 4% score six years ago. Despite over 30 pubs resulting from the grant and all the specific aims completed, the competing renewal was triaged as was the A1 revision. This does not make sense to me or those other of my colleagues with similar experiences.

  4. I want to comment about the *other* elephant in the room. Investigators at non-medical schools generally need to teach hundreds of hours per year, including dozens of lectures, preparations for those lectures, writing exams, fielding emails. We are being asked to compete with scientists who have essentially no teaching obligations, and so can focus on research without interruption. Who do you think is going to make the top 8% and get funded? Even if we could spend the time to write a beautiful proposal, we can’t also get the papers and results that an unfettered person could.

    Does anyone know if there is any group that is addressing the death of public university research? Because there is no doubt to those of us in the trenches: the lights are getting turned off and we are becoming extinct.

    • This faculty member at a public university is grateful for the teaching and administrative responsibilities. It’s the justification for my 100% salary support. An alternative is to be a faculty member at a medical school or research institute and to generate 75-100% of my salary from my grants. That would scare the living heck out of me.

  5. To me, a concern at least a great as the negative slopes of the graphs is the chronic underperformance of faculty in higher education and not in medical schools, which is evident from the halcyon days of budget doubling to the present. Presumably, most of these unsuccessful applicants come from engineering and the physical sciences, whose importance to the NIH mission is certain. I would suggest that you marshal your statisticians to drill a little further down into your data to see how this difference arises. There are many possible explanations of the lower success rates for university faculty not in medical schools, that extend beyond differences in availability of research time. These include:
    - inability of such faculty to qualify for programs with higher success rates
    - less likelihood of the applicant submitting an amended application after an initial rejection
    - collective weaknesses in satisfying specific review criteria as currently interpreted
    - more skewed distribution of proposal assignments among Institutes
    A better understanding of the origin of the lower success rates of this subset of university faculty is a first step toward mitigating this situation, and thereby strengthening the NIH portfolio.

  6. It is obvious those in institutes of higher education (excluding med schools) have higher teaching responsibilities. I would argue that such faculty play an incredibly important role in the research enterprise outside of the classroom, by training undergraduates in their research labs. Some of these students become inspired to pursue graduate research training. We also train graduate students, the best of whom will land postdocs in all those medical schools and research institutions, whose PIs therefore benefit enormously without having contributed to training at the graduate level. I think outstanding faculty are needed at both kinds of institutions for sustained forward progress. Undergrads and grad students need to acquire training in well-funded labs if they are going to be valuable assets as they move up the career ladder. Perhaps having training grant funding that is targeted to institutions that do both undergraduate and graduate education, but excluding medical schools, would help level the playing field a little more. Many of our graduate students have to spend 15 hours per week working as teaching assistants, both because of our mission and because we have fewer grant dollars. An average 5% lower success rate is an enormous difference.

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